Curse

ss1986v2 · Oct 01, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

from my testing it over the weekend at the island of the nameless, the deep wound is spread to all targets hit. cant be 100% on it, but my targets were all dying at the same time, if only one was getting the deep wound, then the two adjecent targets would have survived.

i just think the decription is wrongly worded, like so many other skills...

darkdawn · Oct 03, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12

it isint that good since if you use it, you wont be able to use any of the avatar.

Patccmoi · Oct 03, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

It does apply DW to everyone you hit. All scythe attack do their effect to everyone hit.

I still think it's ridiculously bad when you consider that Wearying Strike exists, that it's 5/2 and deals +damage AND deepwound every time (no enchanted condition). It does Weakness on you, but there is plenty of ways to remove that (Plague Touch it to your target to cover your DW, or Sig of Malice... you just DW him, he'll have a condition, and Sig of Malice is .25/5 and no energy!). Imo Wearying Strike just wins in every way... mostly the 'not being an elite' way.

Rancour · Oct 03, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Patccmoi: Funny thing is though, if you use a Warrior MELEE attack skills, some of them add the effect to all foes struck by the scythe, and some only apply to the main target. Think the scythe is currently bugged.

Dahl · Oct 04, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by darkdawn

it isint that good since if you use it, you wont be able to use any of the avatar.

Avatar's aren't even very good. They appear good on paper, but in my experience they are actually quite crappy. An intelligent warrior can beat any Dervish with Avatar of Balthazar. It doesn't actually make you deal holy damage, it makes you deal light damage. Holy ignores armor and Av or balth definately does not ignore armor. And +40 armor doesn't actually do that much. Armor is only affected by the base weapon swing, and not attack skills. So let's say I hit for 20+42. You could have 10,000,000 armor, im still going to hit for that +42 guaranteed.

If I recall, Wounding Strike has a very fast recharge too. If it deep wounds aoe, then it is a super elite. If you follow it up with Lyssa's Assault, then you've just accomplished a large amount of damage, to up to 3 targets at a very low energy cost. Not to mention that the Scythe has the hifhest damage in the game. When you score a critical, you automatically deal the highest possible damage (28 for axe, 22 for sword, 35 for hammer, etc, hence why axes are usually better than swords, because they have a much higher critical damage) Now imagine the Scythe, I don't remember the max damage but it was around 46 or 47 or something. That's considerably higher than hammers, and we know how crazy those are in pvp.

Dahl · Oct 04, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Patccmoi

It does apply DW to everyone you hit. All scythe attack do their effect to everyone hit.

I still think it's ridiculously bad when you consider that Wearying Strike exists, that it's 5/2 and deals +damage AND deepwound every time (no enchanted condition). It does Weakness on you, but there is plenty of ways to remove that (Plague Touch it to your target to cover your DW, or Sig of Malice... you just DW him, he'll have a condition, and Sig of Malice is .25/5 and no energy!). Imo Wearying Strike just wins in every way... mostly the 'not being an elite' way.

Yeah, sure it's not an elite. So you don't have to sacrifice your elite for Wounding Strike, but you have to sacrifice your secondary to get rid of the weakness, which IMO is a lot worse given the circumstances. I for one definately do not want to give up my secondary to be a necro backside. Who would? Ew.

unholy guardian · Oct 04, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

avatar of melandru with wearying strike rocks

.. wait is wearying strike an elite?

Jeff Highwind · Oct 04, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

No it's a normal skill.

Lord Oranos · Oct 05, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

This needs come kind of damage boost before I find it all that useful, at 16 SM(currently) Wearying Strike hits just as hard as Evisc every two seconds...of course dw doesnt stack so the first blow is the hardest hit. Im telling you, D/N has some good untapped power

Paperfly · Oct 05, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Yeah, sure it's not an elite. So you don't have to sacrifice your elite for Wounding Strike, but you have to sacrifice your secondary to get rid of the weakness, which IMO is a lot worse given the circumstances. I for one definately do not want to give up my secondary to be a necro backside. Who would? Ew.

Alternatively, you might want to look into a little skill called Contemplation of Purity. Even post-nerf, I hear it has some synergy with Dervishes...

Spura · Oct 05, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by Dahl

It doesn't actually make you deal holy damage, it makes you deal light damage.

Wrong. Damage is of holy type. It does double to undead and it deals extra damage to necromancers in necrotic armor.

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Originally Posted by Dahl

Holy ignores armor and Av or balth definately does not ignore armor.

Wrong again. Only skill based holy damage ignores armor. Normal attacks of holy type don't.

There is this whole theory concocted just based on Judge's Insight how holy should ignore armor and that JI is actually light. The actually system is very simple.
Any skill damage like from spells, attack skills' +X, things like IW doing damage each swing is armor ignoring unless it is specifically stated to be of physical or elemental type.
Damage from weapons never ignores armor regardless of type.

This covers all current skills accurately without throwing around things like "oh it says holy but is actually light". Which is wrong, because if it were light damage it wouldn't trigger extra damage on that necro armor that takes extra from holy.

Hyper Cutter · Oct 06, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Rancour

Otyugh's Cry doesn't deserve the Elite tag but it still has it...

Since when was that an elite?

Khift · Oct 10, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

I would sooner use Wearying Strike with Signet of Malice. Sure, you won't be able to use it on recharge, but it'll eat less energy and less time than other options for removing the weakness like Plague Touch and Mending Touch.

The Fox · Oct 10, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Rancour

I wanted to use Desperation Blow (as a D/W) with a Scythe to see if I could throw Conditions on everything I hit. Doesn't work, it only affects your target.

I think you're mistaken Rancour. I tested desperation blow during the pve preview event and one attack was causing a random condition on each target hit.

numagor · Oct 19, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Dahl

And +40 armor doesn't actually do that much.

Actually if i recall Ensign's idea's about combat mechanics correctly i think it is up to a 50% reduction in damage that takes armour into account. That's still alot of damage you are negating...

And as for Otyugh's Cry, it's definetely not Elite... and IMO it's a pretty bad skill as is, if it was Elite it would be a joke

Cold Hearted Zero · Nov 01, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

where do u cap this skill. i cant look at wike since they have problems :S ?

crucifix · Nov 02, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

forms in pve are, sadly, not as useful as one might like. Dervs have fast cast and fast recharge enchants. this gives them a huge advantage over chant drains and interrupts.

the combonation of aura of thorns and armor of sanctity with wounding strike and the other scyth attacks (preferably ones that dont pwn enchants) is a far better mix than that of a form and non elite attacks (no deep wound = poopy).

the only form i see being super useful is melandru... but is there anything better in this game than being completely immune to conditions for 79 sec?

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Originally Posted by Spura

Wrong again. Only skill based holy damage ignores armor. Normal attacks of holy type don't.

this is not 100% true. they may have buggered up the skila bit, but lightbringers gaze actually does reduced dmg to target with more than the standard 60 AL. i realize its a pve skill, but none the less, the descrip does say 100 holy damage.

AuraofMana · Nov 02, 2006, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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the combonation of aura of thorns and armor of sanctity with wounding strike and the other scyth attacks (preferably ones that dont pwn enchants) is a far better mix than that of a form and non elite attacks (no deep wound = poopy).

Go check the Invincible Dervish build and then come back and talk.

Jeff Highwind · Nov 02, 2006, 09:05 AM // 09:05

This Crucifix guy just shot this thread WAYYY Off topic. We aren't talking about forms, we are shooting down my though of bringing this elite to PvP.

crucifix · Nov 02, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by darkdawn

it isint that good since if you use it, you wont be able to use any of the avatar.

yeah what i said would have be off topic if this hadn't been posted.